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Old 02-02-2005, 05:33 AM
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Kase Hain Ap Sab?
Kuch Dinon Se Ik Bat Uljhan Ka Bais Ban Rahi Thi To Main Ne Socha K Ap Logon K Tajarbat Ko Bhi Shamil Ker Lon
Kismat,naseeb(fortune) Ye Sab Kia Hai?
Kia Apko Is Sab Per Yaqen Hai?
Kuch Logon Ka Kehna Hai K "qismat Hum Khud Banate Hain"
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-kia Hum Khud Banate Hain?
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70 % takdeer insan khod banata hay
30 % us ka naseeb hota hay

insan imtian key liya jitni mehnat kerta hay us ka result us ko milta hay yeh hay tadbeer
lakin takdeer yeh hay key teari to full thee lakin jatey hoey rastey main accident ho gia
ya paper waley din benar ho gia and na ja saka
nateeja wo kamiabi na mil saki jis key liya us ney mehnat ki thee
yeh hay takdeer

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70 % takdeer insan khod banata hay
30 % us ka naseeb hota hay

insan imtian key liya jitni mehnat kerta hay us ka result us ko milta hay yeh hay tadbeer
lakin takdeer yeh hay key teari to full thee lakin jatey hoey rastey main accident ho gia
ya paper waley din benar ho gia and na ja saka
nateeja wo kamiabi na mil saki jis key liya us ney mehnat ki thee
yeh hay takdeer

baki fursat miltay hi
Good answer filba .... lekin app nay Nisbat ka andaza kis tarah kia ??
i mean to say kay 70% kis tarah insan apni taqdeer banata ??? aand 30% hi kio insan ka naseeb hota hay ?????

hum nay to yahi suna hay kay insan apni taqdeer khud banata hay ... aur Allah talah nay bhi farmaya kay jo shakhs apni taqdeer badalnay kay liya mehnat nahi kerta us ke Taqdeer nahi badalti.....
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Old 02-02-2005, 08:47 AM
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70% tadbeer is leya key
app for example university kay papers lay leen
app papers key liya sakt mehnat kertay haan.
app expect kertay haan key aapp ka result 100% ana chayeeh
result aata hay key app ney bohat acchay marks leya lakin super naeen thay
app kehtay haan key yeh bala kesay ho gia . app ki mehnat to bohat zeada thee app ney extreme tak mehnat ki thee.
app apney papers ko verify kertay haan to app ko apni galti ka pata lag jata hay
and app jan jatey haan key app ki teari main tori si kami thee.
next time jab papers atey haan app mazeed teari kertay haan
result us sey behtar patey haan
means key ab app jitni mehnat ker rahey hotey haan utna hi app ko result mil raha hota hay
zeada mehnat , zeada teari
nateeja zeada accha result.
yeh sab is waja sey hay key fortune bi app key sath hay key koi esi baat naeen ho rahi jo app ki mehnat ko zaya kareey

app atey haan takder ki taraf
10 % for key app bemar na ho jaeeen aeen paper key din . and paper ya to sahee attempt na kar sakeen ya paper hi na dey sakeen.
10 % app key sath rastey main koi accident na ho jaeey jo app ko rok dey.
examination center tak janey main. is main app key sath kod bi and app ki kisi janey waley key sath bi. jis ki waja sey app paper na denay per majboor ho jaeen.
+ papers sey kuch din pehlay kisi azeez ki death ya kuch bi jis ki waja sey papers sey pehlay ki final teari sahee na ho sakey jis per sarey saal ki teari depend kerti hay
10% paper key doran kisi kisam ki distraction. sound. sheets ka wakat per na milna.
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yeh sab mil ker hotey haan 30 %
isi leya kaha jata hay key apni teari full rakney ka sath dua bi kerni chayeeh key app us ko pora kar s akeen
werna tumam terai darhi ki darhi rah jati hay
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jo kuch hota he wo Allah ki marzi se hota he.Allah ki marzi ke bina aik pata bhi nahi hil sakta.
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Qismat par poora yaqeen hai kyon kay hamaray paida honey say bhi pehlay hamaari Qismat hamaray Naseeb jo bhi hai likhay ja chukay hotay hian aur hamari zindagi main jo bhi hota hai acha ya bura wo Sirf hamaray Raab nay hamari Qismat main likha hota hai wohi hota hia
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QISMAT....yani taqdeer(ye atal hoti hey).... isk matlab qadar...measurement

yani key jitna Allah ney hamarey liye measure kar dia hey wo to hamain zaror miley ga
aur ye measurment Allah ki taraf sey pehley sey tey shuda hey kionkey bilshuba Allah janta hey kis key haq main kia behtar hey aur kon ahl hey ya nahi..ye insan key nafs ko dekhtey hoye tay kar di jati hey

Aik hota hey Naseeb(jo duaa sey Aur Allah sey taluk mazboot kar key badla ja sakta hey).....means nisbat....yani taluk.... jitna ham khuda sey nisbat rakahin gey uss key lehaz sey jo kuch hamain dia jata hey ya nahi dia jata wo naseeb ka likha hota hey

iss bat ko youn bhi samjha ja sakta hey...

key aik orgnization main koi employee apni qualification ki base par koi job hasil karta hey to ye to atal bat hey key usey uski qualification ki base par hi kam miley ga aisa nahi hoga key wo kam parha likha hey aur usey manager bana dia jaye ya zyada parha likha hey to usey chota mota kam dey dia ....ITS MEASURED REGARDING TO THE PERSON's QUALIFICATION
lekin wo apni abilities PUBLIC RELATIONS (nisbat) aur skills ki base par promotion hasil karta rahey to ye uski apni zatti koshihsin hain jo uska NASEEB badal rahi hain....

aik aur missal iski ye hey key Ablees jo key pehley aik farishta tha....uski TAQDEER (unchangeabel measurement) ye thi key us ney jahanum raseed hona tha kionkey Allah janta tha usko bohat behtar.....

Ablees ka NASEEB (change able measurment) ye tha key jab tak wo Allah ka farmanbardar raha us ney izzat aur buzargi pai...jahan us ney Allah sey nisbat kamzor ki nafarmni dekhayi uska NASEEB badal gya aur wo farsihta sey shaeitan ban gya
aur uski TAQDEER aaj bhi wohi hey yani jahanum...

ye bat durust hey key TAQDEER ka likha nahi badlata....
magar NASEEB khudh banaya jata hey

umeed hey meri uljhi hoi bat+missal samjh aa jaye gi agar na aaye to maazart
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70 % takdeer insan khod banata hay
30 % us ka naseeb hota hay

insan imtian key liya jitni mehnat kerta hay us ka result us ko milta hay yeh hay tadbeer
lakin takdeer yeh hay key teari to full thee lakin jatey hoey rastey main accident ho gia
ya paper waley din benar ho gia and na ja saka
nateeja wo kamiabi na mil saki jis key liya us ney mehnat ki thee
yeh hay takdeer

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...hmmm
but filba sis ager insan 70% takdeer khud bana le....but 30% naseeb uska sath na de to uski mehnat to gai...
ji but mere sath k kuch students hain jo buhat mehnat bhi ker lain but couldnt get 100% result...
is main unho ne takdeer banane ki koshish to ker li but un4tunately unka naseeb un k sath nahin deta....
& mujhko yahi confusion hoti hai k insan 70% mehnat ker le but 30% per to uska koi ikhtiar nahin hai phir wo kia kare...
anyways...apka answer accha laga thx 4 sharing ur rai
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Qismat Qismat sai hoti hai ..!!!
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reply 2 ZAALIM BHAI post# 7:
yani k humin qismat per yaqen rakhe begher dil laga ker lagan se her kam ko pora kerne ki koshish kerni chahiye?
aur pehle se likhi hoi baton per ghor nahin kerna chahiye....
but ager hum aisa ker bhi lain to.....again wahi bat hai k mehnat to ker li but uska result nahin mila to ye bhi to takdeer hi hai na....
& yahi bat uljhan peda kerti hai k ager is per yaqen ker lain k pehle se likhi hai to kam kerne ka dil nahin kare ga jo buhat ghalat hai
& ise tarah ager ye soch lain k mehnat main azmat hai but usk bad ye bat bhi kise hadse ki nazar ho jai to.....phir kia kerna chahiye...
shaid hum log qismat se na ashna hote hain...but ye bhi to samajh nahin ata k haqeeqat kia hai?
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jo kuch hota he wo Allah ki marzi se hota he.Allah ki marzi ke bina aik pata bhi nahi hil sakta.
ji ye bat to pathar per lakeer hai shy sis...but mera point ye hai k
-qismat banai jati hai?
-ya bani banai hai?

ya phir is ka mixture hai....beshak ALLAH ki marzi k begher kuch nahin hota but tareekh humin batati hai k
"HAZRAT HAJRA (RA) ne bhi 7 martaba chakkar kate the us jaga k jahan aj KHANA KABA hai & phir hi unk bete ki airiian(heels) ragerne(rub) k bad hi AB-E-ZAMZAM ka chashma phoota tha"
yani k mehnat zarori hai lakin mehnat k bad ager wo mehnat ajar na de bal k kise hadse ki nazar ho jai to?
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Qismat par poora yaqeen hai kyon kay hamaray paida honey say bhi pehlay hamaari Qismat hamaray Naseeb jo bhi hai likhay ja chukay hotay hian aur hamari zindagi main jo bhi hota hai acha ya bura wo Sirf hamaray Raab nay hamari Qismat main likha hota hai wohi hota hia
ji bilkul kinara sis....apki batin 100% correct hain....
but jo bat confusion ka shikar kerti hai wo ye hai...k ager aisa hai to mehnat kerni chahiye ya nahin?
jab k hum jante hain k mehnat k begher kuch hasil nahin hota lakin akser ye bhi to hota hai k mehnat kise kam nahin ati to phir kia karin hum?
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QISMAT....yani taqdeer(ye atal hoti hey).... isk matlab qadar...measurement

yani key jitna Allah ney hamarey liye measure kar dia hey wo to hamain zaror miley ga
aur ye measurment Allah ki taraf sey pehley sey tey shuda hey kionkey bilshuba Allah janta hey kis key haq main kia behtar hey aur kon ahl hey ya nahi..ye insan key nafs ko dekhtey hoye tay kar di jati hey

Aik hota hey Naseeb(jo duaa sey Aur Allah sey taluk mazboot kar key badla ja sakta hey).....means nisbat....yani taluk.... jitna ham khuda sey nisbat rakahin gey uss key lehaz sey jo kuch hamain dia jata hey ya nahi dia jata wo naseeb ka likha hota hey

iss bat ko youn bhi samjha ja sakta hey...

key aik orgnization main koi employee apni qualification ki base par koi job hasil karta hey to ye to atal bat hey key usey uski qualification ki base par hi kam miley ga aisa nahi hoga key wo kam parha likha hey aur usey manager bana dia jaye ya zyada parha likha hey to usey chota mota kam dey dia ....ITS MEASURED REGARDING TO THE PERSON's QUALIFICATION
lekin wo apni abilities PUBLIC RELATIONS (nisbat) aur skills ki base par promotion hasil karta rahey to ye uski apni zatti koshihsin hain jo uska NASEEB badal rahi hain....

aik aur missal iski ye hey key Ablees jo key pehley aik farishta tha....uski TAQDEER (unchangeabel measurement) ye thi key us ney jahanum raseed hona tha kionkey Allah janta tha usko bohat behtar.....

Ablees ka NASEEB (change able measurment) ye tha key jab tak wo Allah ka farmanbardar raha us ney izzat aur buzargi pai...jahan us ney Allah sey nisbat kamzor ki nafarmni dekhayi uska NASEEB badal gya aur wo farsihta sey shaeitan ban gya
aur uski TAQDEER aaj bhi wohi hey yani jahanum...

ye bat durust hey key TAQDEER ka likha nahi badlata....
magar NASEEB khudh banaya jata hey

umeed hey meri uljhi hoi bat+missal samjh aa jaye gi agar na aaye to maazart
sahira sis pehle to KHUSH AMDEED!
& us k bad ye k apka answer buhat accha hai + apki donon misalin bhi acchi hain & is se meri confusion bhi lit bit door hoi hai...
yani....takdeer ta shuda hai
but naseeb hum khud banate hain
yani k hamari mehnat hamara naseeb le ker ati hai lakin takdeer k mutabiq...
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ek khaas mafhoom mein exactly yehi baat. magar sirf ek khaas mafhoom mein.


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aur pehle se likhi hoi baton per ghor nahin kerna chahiye....
pehlay se likhi hui agar koi baat aap ke ilm mein hai to ghaur zaroor karen.
per haqeeqat yeh hai ke agar pehlay se kuch likha hua hai tab bhi hamen nahi pata ke kya likha hua hai.


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but ager hum aisa ker bhi lain to.....again wahi bat hai k mehnat to ker li but uska result nahin mila to ye bhi to takdeer hi hai na....
mera zor sirf is baat per tha ke yeh pre-written nahi hoti. pehlay se kahin likha nahi hota ke mustaqbil mein aap imtehaan mein mehnat ke bawajood kaamiyaab nahi honge.
yeh bas ek dam hojaata hai. pehlay se kahin likha nahi hota.

reh gaya naam, to naam mein kya rakha hai. chahay is ko taqdeer keh len ya jo bhi keh len.


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yahi bat uljhan peda kerti hai k ager is per yaqen ker lain k pehle se likhi hai to kam kerne ka dil nahin kare ga jo buhat ghalat hai
koi bewaqoof aadmi hi aisa ho sakta hai, jo qismat ko pre-written samajhtay huay mehnat na karay.

islamic point of view se dekhen to bhi mehnat zaroori hai. aisa hukum nahi hai ke rizq to khuda de raha hai is liye aap ghar mein baithay rahen mehnat na karen.


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ise tarah ager ye soch lain k mehnat main azmat hai but usk bad ye bat bhi kise hadse ki nazar ho jai to.....phir kia kerna chahiye...
haan aisa hota rehta hai magar mera khyaal hai ke yeh pre-written nahi hota.

jis cheez ko main pre-written samajhta hoon voh main ne post 7 mein bata diya hai.

sawaal yeh nahi hai ke qismat hoti hai ya nahi.
sawaal yeh hai ke qismat pre-written hoti hai ya nahi.
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ek khaas mafhoom mein exactly yehi baat. magar sirf ek khaas mafhoom mein.
pehlay se likhi hui agar koi baat aap ke ilm mein hai to ghaur zaroor karen.
per haqeeqat yeh hai ke agar pehlay se kuch likha hua hai tab bhi hamen nahi pata ke kya likha hua hai.
mera zor sirf is baat per tha ke yeh pre-written nahi hoti. pehlay se kahin likha nahi hota ke mustaqbil mein aap imtehaan mein mehnat ke bawajood kaamiyaab nahi honge.
yeh bas ek dam hojaata hai. pehlay se kahin likha nahi hota.
reh gaya naam, to naam mein kya rakha hai. chahay is ko taqdeer keh len ya jo bhi keh len.
koi bewaqoof aadmi hi aisa ho sakta hai, jo qismat ko pre-written samajhtay huay mehnat na karay.
islamic point of view se dekhen to bhi mehnat zaroori hai. aisa hukum nahi hai ke rizq to khuda de raha hai is liye aap ghar mein baithay rahen mehnat na karen.
haan aisa hota rehta hai magar mera khyaal hai ke yeh pre-written nahi hota.
jis cheez ko main pre-written samajhta hoon voh main ne post 7 mein batadiya hai.
sawaal yeh nahi hai ke qismat hoti hai ya nahi.
sawaal yeh hai ke qismat pre-written hoti hai ya nahi.
ji bilkul theek...kaha apne...but hum to is per yaqeen kerte hain na k:

"NASEEB insan khud bana leta hai
& TAKDEER pehle se ta shuda hai" according to SAHIRA SIS!
& un ki bat kise had tak theek bhi hai
jese k apne bhi kaha post # 7 main k HADSAT waghera...shaid yahi TAKDEER hai jo pehle se ta shuda hai...
ji mera sawal pehle to yahi hai k QISMAT kia hai & ye hai ya nahin..kiyon k kuch logon k khiyal main qismat exist hi nahin kerti....
& phir ye k hai to kia ye TAKDEER & NASEEB main batti hoi hai ager aisa hai to ye kia hai?
& so ye k pehle se likhi hai ya khud banate hain....
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ji bilkul theek...kaha apne...but hum to is per yaqeen kerte hain na k:

"NASEEB insan khud bana leta hai
& TAKDEER pehle se ta shuda hai" according to SAHIRA SIS!
& un ki bat kise had tak theek bhi hai
jese k apne bhi kaha post # 7 main k HADSAT waghera...shaid yahi TAKDEER hai jo pehle se ta shuda hai...
ji mera sawal pehle to yahi hai k QISMAT kia hai & ye hai ya nahin..kiyon k kuch logon k khiyal main qismat exist hi nahin kerti....
& phir ye k hai to kia ye TAKDEER & NASEEB main batti hoi hai ager aisa hai to ye kia hai?
& so ye k pehle se likhi hai ya khud banate hain....
yeh baat aaj pehli dafa suni hai ke taqdeer aur naseeb do alag alag cheezen hain.

vaise agar aap ko islamic point of view maloom karna hai to taqdeer pehlay se likhi hui hoti hai. 100%
qayaamat tak jo kuch bhi hoga voh Allah ko pehlay hi maloom hai.
lehaaza is sense mein aap dekhen to taqdeer pre-written exist karti hai.
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