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Old 07-27-2004, 02:06 PM
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pure muslim aap nay shaaid meray jawab per ghor nahi kia ya aap taqwa kay mazmoon say mukamil aagahi nahi rakhtay.
meray bhai mein nay quran ka tarjuma ya tafseer parhnay ki bilkul bhi mukhalfat nahi ki balkay mein khud hamesha quran ki tilawat kay baad tarjuma aur agar zaroorat parhay tu uss ki tafseer bhi parhta hoon. tu janab iss baat say aap khud hi andaza kar lain kah mein tarjuma parhnay ki mukhalfat kaisay kar sakta hoon.
mein nay sirf yah kaha hai. kah quran arabi zuban mein hi hai . quran ka kisi bhi zuban mein tarjuma quran ka qaim muqam nahi kahla sakta . kiyon kah quran tu khuda nay khud arabi zaban mein naazil kiya hai jo har tarah kay nuqa'ais say paak hai magar tarjuma insaan karta hai jo kabhi bhi mukamil nahi ho sakta aur aksar khamion say bhara hota hai. iss liyae ham ussay quran ya quran ka qaim muqam nahi kah saktay
meray doost aap issay sirf ilmi kitaab hi samajh rahay hain jabkay quran aik rohani kitaab bhi hai aur iss ki tilawat ko khas kar subah kay waqt ki tilawat ko tu khuda ta'ala bataur gawah kay pesh karta hai. (surah bani israel 79).
ab aap hi baatain agar aap ki baat maan lee jaaey tu kal koi aur yah bhi kah sakta hai kah bhai namaz bhi urdu mein parhni chahey aur phir iss tarah kay aur bhut say swalaat janam lain gay .
aur phir mein nay aap ko unn logon ki masaal bhi di thi jo kah arabi jantay hain magar phir bhi akhtilafaat ka shikaar hain. aur unn ki amali halat bhi kisi say dhaki chupi nahi hai.
aisay mein taqwa hi hai jo insaan ko sahi rasta per chala sakta hai.
meray doost mein aap ko aik aur masaal say samjhanay ki kosshish karta hoon.
aap nay mujhe aik ibarat purtagueesi mein bheji hai. ab agar mera aap say koi jazbaati ta'luq hota tu yaqeenan mein yah jananay ki koshish karta kah aap nay mujhe kia likha hai. aur bhut mumkin hai kah agar mera aap say ta'luq intihaai shidat ka hota tu mein shaid woh zaban hi seekh laita.
issi tarah jo quran say aur allah ta'ala say muhabat rakhtay hain woh ussay na sirf parhtay hain balkay jaisay jaisay iss muhabaat mein taraqi kartay jaatay hain waisay waisay woh quran ko samajhnay ki bhi koshish kartay hain.
aur aaj kat tu aksar musalman jo quran prhtay hain woh iss kitaab say aqeedat hi ki wajah say parhtay hain. magar afsos kay woh uss say agala qadam nahi uthata kiyon kah unn ki mohabaat mein woh shidat nahi paaye jaati. aur uss ki aik bari wajah yah bhi hai kah unhain quran per tu yaqeen hai magar uss kay trjuma per nahi. aur bhut mumkin hai kah agar unhain kaha jayae kah arabi mein tumhain kia faida tum apni zaban mein quran ko parh lo tu woh quran ko parhnay say hi jaain . kiyon kah ilm tu ussay hi day saktay hain jo ussay haasil karna chaaey.
phir chritians ki masal lay lain unhon nay bible ka kia hashar kia hai.
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Salam,

Mohataram Test aur Pure Muslim Saheb, ye parh kar thori der ke liye sochen. Kya sochna ye aap par hey.

Mein to ye hi soch raha hun ke ye ek moajiza hi hey ke choote bache, jin ki jo maadri zabaan nahin hey, us zabaan mein woh ek Ilhaami Kitaab ko hifz kar lete hein, jis ki duniya mein aur kisi bhi ilhaami kitaab ke baare mein aisi misaal hi nahin milti. Al Hamdo Lillah!

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app ka yeh page its a very nice.....khuda say hua hai app kamyaab hoon orr agy tak jain...........ALLAH app ko orr hum sab ko tofeeq day kay hum isi tarah ek saat mil kay is page kay zariye islaam phalain ALLAH hum sab ki maghfirat karay hum sab ko quran samghnay ki tofiq inayaat farmain (AMMEEN)
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JO SAMAJHTE NAHI UNHAIn SAMJHNA BEKAAAR HAI BEHAS TO ENKA MASHGHALA HAI .....
SABOOOOT HOTE TO DEKHTE KIA SAMJHE Qasim Bhai....?
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App Sab Sai Sirf Yeh Poochna Hai Keh App Mai Ketanai Aise Log Hain Jis Nai Quran Ya Deen Kee Taleem Baqayeda Kisee Deenee Idare Sai Hasil Kee Hain...

Koi Kya Keh Raha To Koi Kya.. Koi Bhee Kisse Kai Baat Sai Ittefaq Nahi Karta...

Jab Koi Medical Pade Bagher Doctor Nahi Ban Sakta
To Phir App Log Deen Kee Taleem Hasil Kiye Bagher Kaise Aalim Ban Sakte Ho .. Khudara Bohot Hogiya Isalam Kai Sath Mazak..

Bohot Mazak Hogiya Islam Kai Sath

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bahi 70 lakh hafiz kah hai Qasim bahi nay
koi 70 lakh alim tu nahi kaha
aap na roay na hansay
balkay jo bat kahi jay us ko ghor se dekha karay
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hairat hai is "Alert" ki wajah say itnay saray thread closed hogaiy aur aAp ko Alert ka matlab he nahee pata chal ska.
Alert ka matlab yeh hai kay la-hasil behas mukammal toor par band hai...
is Alert kay baad bhi agar behas jari rhee to yeh thread bhi closed hojaiyga.
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yaar S_Rullzz,
Islam Section ke thread names ke oopar ek bade bade harfon wali urdu-gif file laga dena
jisme likha ho ke:
" sirf POST karein, koi TABSRA ya BEHAS mamnou hai !! "
qissa khatam ...................................!!!!!!!!!
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belkullll S...RULLS bhai (Bazuq ne jo kaha) aap esa kare to tab to aap ko Islam section mai shaed behas wala koi thread na mele ..... kio kia sochte hooo....
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Salam Test Sahab,

Ye 70 laakh haafize Quran waali article meri nahin hey. Aur na mein ne is ki tasdeeq ki hey. Ye sirf aap ki maa’aloomaat ke liye attach ki hey, ke aap ke ilm mein ye baat aaye ke hifz-e-Quran ka ruzhaan kya hey.

Aur aap is Forum mein na rone ke liye aaye hein aur na hansne ke liye. Aap seriously jo kehna chaahte hein, who kahiye. That is all. Kisi par apne khayaalaat musllat na karen. Na aap par koi apne khayaalaat muslaat kar raha hey.

Aap ke jo khayaalaat hein, woh aap ke apne hein, Ise pur duniya ke Musalmaano ko pahonchaane ke liye ye Forum nahin hey. Is ke liye to aap ko aalami tour par jaddo jehad karni paregi, jis taraah Ghulam Ahmed Parvez, Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyaani, Rashad Khalifa waghairah ne ki thi.

Mein ne apni shuru ki post mein waaze’a tour par likha tha ke Quran ka parhna ek baat hey aur is ke baa’ad ise samajhna aur amal karna alag baat hey. Parhne se murad hey sirf “parhna”, jis taraah Namaaz mein Quran ka kuchh hissa “parha” jaata hey. Qir’at mein Quran ka kuchh hissa “parha” jaata hey. Tilaawat mein Quran ka kuchh hisaa "parha” jaata hey. Aur bachpan mein aap ne bhi madressah mein Quran ka kuchh hissa zaroor “parha" hoga.

Quran ka haq sirf “parhne” tak hi mahdood nahin hey. “Parhne” ke baare mein, mein Quran ki Ayaton ka hawaala de chuka hun. 2:121, 17:78, 73:4. In Ayaton ka ta’alluq Quran ko Arbi mein “parhne” se hey.

Is ke baa’ad Quran ko samajhna hey. Ye Farz hey. Magar jo Arbi nahin jaan’ta, woh kaise Quran ko samajhega? Isi liye Quran ko samjho, apni zabaan mein. Khulaasa ye huwa:

Quran “parho” Arbi zabaan mein. 2:121, 17:78, 73:4.

Quran “samjho” apni zabaan mein:

“EK BA BARKAT WAALI KITAAB HAM NE TERI TARAF NAAZIL KI HEY, TAAKE LOG US KI AAYATON PAR GHOUR KAREN, AUR AQALMAND NASIHAT LEIN.” (Surah Saad, Ayat 29)

“TO KYA WOH QURAN MEIN GHOUR NAHIN KARTE YA IN KE DILON PAR TAALE LAGE HEIN?” (Surah Muhammad, Ayat 24)

“HAMNE TUMHAARI TARAF AISI KITAAB NAAZIL KI HEY JIS MEIN TUMHAARA TAZKIRAAH HEY. KYA TUM NAHIN SAMAJHTE?” (Surah Al Anbiyah, Ayat 10)

“HAMNE (AEY PAGHAMBAR), YE QURAN TUMHAARI ZABAAN MEIN AASAAN NAAZIL KIYA HEY, TAAKE TUM IS SE PARHEZGAARON KO KHUSH KHABRI PAHONCHAAO AUR JHAGRAALUON KO DAR SUNAAO.” (Surah Maryam, Ayat 97)

“AUR HAM NE IS QURAN MEIN LOGON KE LIYE HAR QISM KI MISAALEN BAYAAN KAR DI HEIN, KE WOH NASIHAT HAASIL KAREN.” (Surah Al Zumr, Ayat 27)

“AUR HAM NE QURAN KO NASIHAT AUR SAMAJHNE KE LIYE AASAAN KAR DIYA HEY. AB HEY KOI SAMAJHNE WAALA AUR NASIHAT LENE WAALA?” (Surah Al Qamar, Ayat 17, 22, 32 aur 40 – Ye Ayat Surah Al Qamar mein 4 martaba dohrai gayi hey.)

In Ayaton par amal tab hhi kar sakte hein, jab aap Quran ko samjhen, apni zabaan mein. Aur samajhne ke liye is ka tarjuma apni zabaan mein parhna parega. That is all.

Lubbe lubaab ye baat huyi ke: Quran parho Arbi mein. Ise samjho apni zabaan mein, yaa’ani is ka tajuma parho apni zabaan mein.

Magar aap ki baton se ye hi zaahir ho raha hey ke aap Quran ke Arbi mein “parhne” ke haq mein bilkul nahin hein. Theek hey. Jaisi aap ki soch. Magar is soch ko aalami tour par naafiz karne ke liye aap ko Ghulam Ahmed Parvez aur Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani ki taraah aalmi morcha bandi karni hogi. Phir dekhte hein ke kon kon aur kitne log aap ki soch ki taaeed karte hein?

Ek dusri aham baat. Agar aap jis soch ke liye jaddo jihad kar rahe hein, kaash aap "Quran ki tijaarat" (commercialization of Quran) ke baare mein karte, to aap ko waqaai mein bahot hi pazeerai milti. Aap hazaaron Musalmaanon ko Shirk se bacha lete. Is mouzu par meri ek article, just for information only.

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yar test bahi aap wo Quran Majeed lay jis mein arbi kay nechay urdu likhi hi
is se yeh faida ho ga aap ko kay aap Quran jis language mein aya hai us ka bhi haq ada karay gay aur sath mein samjhtay bhi jay gay
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yar test bahi aap wo Quran Majeed lay jis mein arbi kay nechay urdu likhi hi
is se yeh faida ho ga aap ko kay aap Quran jis language mein aya hai us ka bhi haq ada karay gay aur sath mein samjhtay bhi jay gay
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Test Saheb, aap ki baat kuchh had tak to sahih hey, magar 100% sahih nahin hey. Is liye ke Quran jis zabaan mein "original" (asli) naazil huwa hey, is ka haq to ada karna hi hey. Magar ye haq pura ada jab hi hoga ke parhne ke baa'ad, laaziman us ka tarjuma bhi parh kar use samjha jaaye.

Aur ye hi baat Matrix Saheb ne ek chhote se message mein keh di hey. Aur mein bhi ye hi baat ek chhote se attachment mein kehta hun.

Aap Quran ko agar "sirf" Urdu mein parh ne par zor de rahe hein, to is baat se mein muttafiq nahin hun. Magar aap Quran ko Arbi mein parhne ke baa'ad use Urdu ya dusri zabaan mein parh kar use samajhne ki baat kar rahe hein, to mein aap se muttafiq hun.

Yaa'ni Quran Arbi mein zaroor parho magar sirf "parhna" ye adhura haq hey. Use pura karne ke liye laaziman, laaziman, laaziman us ka tarjuma parh kar use samajhna hey. Magar afsos ka maqaam hey ke hamaare Asia ke Musalmaanon mein shayd hi 5% aise ho, jo Quran ko samajhne ki koshih karte huwe, is ka tarjuma apni zabaan mein parhte ho. Warna 95% Muslamaan Arbi mein Quran ko sirf "parh" kar is ka haq ada kar ke mutmaeen ho jaate hein. Ye ghalat rawish hey.

Is ghalat rawish ko sudhaarne ke liye, aap ka mashwarah hey ke sirf apni zabaan mein parhna chaahiye, taake un logon ko samajh mein aa jaaye. Magar mera mashwarah ye hey ke Arbi ke saath saath tarjuma bhi laaziman, laazimaan, laaziman parhna chaahiye, taake donon haq ada ho. Ek Quran ko "original" zabaan mein parhne ka aur dusra samajhne ka.

To aap ke aur mere khayaalat mein thora hi farq hey. That is all.
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Salam,

Pure Muslim Bhai, seetam zareefi ye hi hey ke 95% log Quran ko sirf “parhna” hi sawaab samajhte hein. Ye haqeeqat hey. Ye bhi haqeeqat hey ke Ramzaan ke mahine mein ab ye shayd “fashion” ho gaya hey ke 5 se le kar 15 raaton mein Quran ko “khatam” kar diya jaata hey. Ramzaan mein hi ye sun’ne mein aata hey ke: “Mein ne 4 Quran “khatam” kiye” , “Mein ne 6 Quran “khatam” kiye” waghairaah. Yaa’ani waaqai mein Quran ko “khatam” kar diya gaya hey. Ye hey is ka saboot:

“AUR RASOOL KAHENGE, AEY MERE RABB, MERI QOUM NE IS QURAN KO CHHOR RAKHA THA” (Surah Al Furqan, Ayat 30)

Magar is ka matlab ye hargeez nahin ke ham Quran ki asal Arbi zabaan ko choor kar sirf samajhne ki khaatir hi ise Arbi ki bajaaye dusri zabaan mein parhen. Meri nazar mein is ka hal ye hi hey ke agar tamaam Musalmaan Arbi zabaan na sikh sake to phir Arbi ke saath tarjuma bhi Farz ke tour par parhen aur Quran ka haq pura karen. Magar ye “theory” hey. Practical kuchh aur hi hey. Practical hey: “Khatam.” Aur tote ki taraah parhna. Is mein hamaare ulamaaoun ka bhi hissa hey. Magar kya kiya jaaye? Hamaara kaam to pahonchaana hi hey.

Ye qissa bhi sun len. Sheikh Ahmed Deedat ne bataaya hey. Christian maan'te hein: "God is love." Arabi mein is ka tarjuma hota hey: "Allah Mohabbah". Inhon ne is taraah Arbi mein likha huwa rangeen flyer (choota poster) banaaya: "Allah Mohabbah". Kam parhe huwe Musalmaanon ne use "Allah Mohammed" samajh kar chumna shuru kiya. Woh flyer mein ne dekha hey.

Ye sach hey, aur sach karwa hota hey. 95% log kabhi bhi Arbi ko chhor kar sirf apni zabaan mein, ise samajhne ke liye Quran nahin parhenge. Kya kiya jaaye? Is taraah Forum mein post kar ke karoron Musalmaan ko kis tarah payghaam pahonchaayenge? Ye bahot bara sawaaliya nishaan hey. ???????

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Thanks Qasim, app nain mera point sumjaha. kahtay hain some thing is better then nothing. ager iss co pahlay Urdu main per lain tu kujh hasal tu hu ga. main manta hun kay tarjma kabhi bhe 100% correct nahin hu sukta mager ager hum sub coshash ker kay 95% bhe correct ker lain tu yeahee kafi ha. jiss main akhtalaf hu wahan neechay hashia main likh deeya jay ka iss main kujh akhtalaf ha mazeed tafseel kay leay arabic learn ker kay perain
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Assalam o Alaikommm!

Gaazaliii bahi aap ko ek mashwara deta hoo agar aap waqeee Quraan ki tarjome ke barme sanjeeda hai to kal se ek neya thread shoro karo jes mai aap shoro lekar aakher tak tarjoma karo

mera matlab hai ke roz ek Rakoo ya chand Ayaat ka tarjoma kia karo es aap ko bhi faieda haiN aur humeiN bhi aur es tarah se sare ke saare Tarjome bhi saheee hojayengay... ???
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