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Old 07-19-2004, 08:00 AM
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dekheye janaab hamaaraa ziaadaa tar padhaa likhaa tabqaa arabic nahin seekh saktaa lehaaza
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yeh sub zabaanon mein tarjumey honaa chaheyein aur pehley sey bhee moojood hein. wesey agar aaj kaa nojwaan cable per 2 indian filmein dekhney kee bajaye 3 ghantey rozanaa arabic ko dey dey to mein nahin samjhtaa keh aik saal key baad woh urdu tarjumey kee zaroorat ko mehsoos karey gaa.
wesey hamein un padh afraad ko bhee zabaanee quran pak kaa tarjumaa padhaan chaheye.
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najam sahib main app key baat say 99% itfaq kerta hun sirf Arabic walay part per nahin. meray khayal main jo waqat Arabic part per lagaya jaay gaa wo time ager Urdu main bar bar read kernay per lagaya jaay wo bahtar ha. ager Quran co waqa-e arabic main perna ha tu iss ka ajah tareeqa yeah ha kay pahlay Arabic zaban seekhain pher khud is co sumjahin. test nain yeah bohut ajah mazou chuna ha. aam tur humaray loog sirf quran co arabic main pertay hain jiss say asal maqsad nahin milta
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Salam,

Ye aap kis qism ki baat kar rahe hein? Kaisa sawaal hey aap ka ke: “Kya Quran mein kisi ek jaga bhi zikr hey ke ise laazmi Arbi mein parha jaaye?” Jee haan hey. Ye hey Qurani Ayat:

“HAMNE (AEY PAGHAMBAR), YE QURAN TUMHAARI ZABAAN MEIN AASAAN NAAZIL KIYA HEY, TAAKE TUM IS SE PARHEZGAARON KO KHUSH KHABRI PAHONCHAAO AUR JHAGRAALUON KO DAR SUNAAO.” (Surah Maryam, Ayat 97)

To ab ye bataaiye ke Huzoor (SAW) ki zabaan konsi hti? Jab Quran naazil hi Arbi mein huwa hey to ise parhna bhi Arbi mein hi hey na? Ab mera sawaal aap se hey ke: “Kya Quran mein kisi jaga bhi zikr hey ke ise apni maadri zabaan mein parha jaaye?

Ab ek ye Ayat par bhi ghour karen:

“AUR HAM NE QURAN KO NASIHAT AUR SAMAJHNE KE LIYE AASAAN KAR DIYA HEY. AB HEY KOI SAMAJHNE WAALA AUR NASIHAT LENE WAALA?” (Surah Al Qamar, Ayat 17, 22, 32 aur 40 – Ye Ayat Surah Al Qamar mein 4 martaba dohrai gayi hey.)

Ab ek haqeeqat: Duniya mein Sirf Musalmaanon ko hi ye a’ejaaz aur ne’amat haasil hey ke in ka 10 saal ka bacha haafize Quran ho jaata hey. Us zabaan mein, jo is ki maadri zabaan nahin hey.

Ab mere aap se 2 sawaal aur hein:

2. Kya aaj tak kisi Musalmaan bache ya baaligh ne apni maadri zabaan mein Quran ko hifz kiya hey, yaa’ani us ka pura tarjuma hifz kya hey?

3 Kya duniya ke kisi bhi ghair-Muslim bache ne ya baaligh ne apni mauqaddas kitaab ko hifz kiya hey?

Khulaasa ye huwa ke ye Allah ki taraf se ek mo’ajiza hey ke ek Musalmaan ka 10 saal ka bacha pura Quran hifz kar leta hey, us zabaan mein, jo is ki maadri zabaan nahin hey. Aur ye hi bachaa ya koi baaligh kabhi bhi, apni zindgi mein isi Quran ka tarjuma hifz nahin kar sakega. Kya ise aap Allah ki taraf se mo’ajiza nahin samajhte?

Is liye Quran jo ke Arbi mein naazil huwa hey, use Arbi mein hi parhna hey, jo 1,400 saal se parha ja raha hey, aur Namaaz mein bhi Arbi mein hi parhaa jaata hey, aur ta qayaamat Arbi mein hi parha jaayega. Jis ko Allah ne toufiq aur hidaayat di hey, woh log Arbi zabaan sikh lege hein. Jin ko ye ne’mat nasib nahin hey, un ke liye apni zabaan mein tarjume moujood hein, us se faydaah haasil kar sakte hein. Agar aise log tarjume se faaydah haasil nahin karte, to ye in ki bad-qismati hey.

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jo sab say best tareeqa hay wo hay Quraan ko tarjamay kay sath parhna....arabic parhain sath sath tarjama bhi parhtay jaein....es main kiya masla hay....

aur english main mainnay aik quraan dekha tha baghair araic ebarat kay ...albata urdu main nazar nahin aaya ...yani kay sirf tarjama hi ho....

laikn sirf tarjamay ka ye nouqsaan hay kay es tarah Quran main tehreefat ka aik naya baab khul jaye ga....isi liye pehlau arabic main parhye aur phir tarjamay kay sath...
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yeah wo door nahin jaab paper nahin huta tha. Quran original shakal main always available ha jaab bhee coi akhtalaf hu hum original daykh suktay hain. joo time aur mahnat bachay 1 sapara Arabic main pernay main lagatay hain itna zoor ager Urdu main lagain tu sara quran khatum ker sukahin gay. tarjma ager ghalat bhee hu tu Arabic main sath pernay say wo theek nahin hu ga, iss leay jo time hum Arabic sath pernay main lagatay hain wo urdu main per ker zayada faida hasal hu sukta ha
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mujhe yeh samjh nahi ati kay test bahi aysay masayl ko kion chertay haii
QURAN MAJEED aap ko jis zaban mein asan lagay aap us ko us mein pharhay
aap nay tu faida lena hai na
chahay wo aap ko jis zaban mein bhi milay
wo aap ko mil raha haii
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M@trix eXtr@OrdiNaRy key baat 100% correct ha kay iss sumajhnay kay leeay jiss marzi zaban main parain. humaray Pakistan main 99% log Quran co Arabic main pertay hain aur in main say 75% kabhi bhe Urdu translation nahin pertay. ager yeah 99% log Quran co Arabic main pernay key bajaay Urdu main perain tu bayshumar firqawareeat kay masyle pedda he na hun. aur esee waja say main nain yeah topic shuru keya ha ta kay doost purna Arabic main pernay wala nazreyya jhor ker iss co Urdu main perain ta kay Quran co pernay ka asal maqsad hasal hu sukay. pakistan main aam huta ha kay byshumar log Quran ka name lay ker kahtay hain kay Quran main yeah likha ha iss leay app per yeah cheez farz ha. ab logun co yeah pata he nahin huta kay Quran main kaya ha iss leay wo un key ulti seedhi batun per yaqeen ker kay doosray firqay say lerna shuru ker daytay hain.
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dekhay test bahi aik chez tu clear hai QURAN jis zuban mein aya hai yani kay ARABIC mein us ko usi tarha pharhay ha albata aap us ko samjhnay kay leye urdu mein ohar saktay hai
yeh na kay aap us ka tarjuma phartay rahay aur kahay kay ji mein nay QURAN MAJEED phar leya haii
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test bhai mera apna zati khiyal to ye hai k QURAN PAK ko ARBI main zaror perhana chahiye lakin us k bad us zaban main jis main apko maharat ho us main bhi zaroooooooor perna chahiye wo chahe urdu ho ya koi aur & jesa k PAK main rehne walon ki qomi zaban hi urdu hai & hum urdu ko sahe se jante hain is liye QURAN PAK ko urdu main perhana bhi nihayat zarori hai kiyon k QURAN PAK ko sirf perna hamara maqsad nahi hai balk perne k bad SAMAJHNA ziada imp hai....
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Ikthlaf barhnay ka bajai ziada ho jain gay kyon kay har koi apni rai lagaya ga.
Aur loog gumrah hotay rahain gay.
Meri app tamam bahyoo se aik appeal hai.Quran ka tarjuma khud parhnay ka bajai kisi mustanad alim se tarjuma aur tafseer parhi jai.Warna gumrahi ho sakti hai
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Khan Sahib app key yeah baat darust ha kay tarjma pernay kay baad keysee alam say iss key tafseer per lee jay. Thanks
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Salam,

Mohataram Test Saheb, let us cut it short:

Aap ne is ka jawaab hi nahin diya ke: Kya Quran mein kahin ye likha hey ke, ‘Apni maadri zabaan mein Quran parho’? No. Not at all!

Quran Arbi mein parhna ek fazeelat hey. Use samajhna farz hey. Arbi na aati ho, to tarjuma parh kar ise samjho, phir ghour-o-fikr karo. Look at this:

“EK BA BARKAT WAALI KITAAB HAM NE TERI TARAF NAAZIL KI HEY, TAAKE LOG US KI AAYATON PAR GHOUR KAREN, AUR AQALMAND NASIHAT LEIN.” (Surah Saad, Ayat 29)

“TO KYA WOH QURAN MEIN GHOUR NAHIN KARTE YA IN KE DILON PAR TAALE LAGE HEIN?” (Surah Muhammad, Ayat 24)

Jo log Quran hifz karte hein, in ka ajr pata karna ho to jao aur dekho Huzoor (SAW) ki Hadees, jismein is ki fazeelat bataayi hey.

The bottom line is: Quran Arbi mein parho, phir use apni zabaan mein samjho, agar Arbi nahin jaan’te. Ye hein Huqooqul Quran:

- Use parho
- Use samjho
- Us par ghour-o-fikr karo
- Us par amal karo
- Us ke Ahkaamaat ka nifaaz karo
- Us ke Ahkaamaat ka nifaaz karwaao aur aakhir mein
- Us ka paygham dusron tak pahonchaao.

Conclusion:

Agar aap Arbi mein nahin parhna chaahte hein to aap koi bhi zabaan mein parhen. Namaaz mein bhi apni zabaan mein parhen. Ye aap ka apna imaan aur aqeedah hey. Dusron par ye aqeedah thopne ki koshish na karen.

Quran ka parhna ek baat hey aur phir samajh kar ghour-o-fikr kar ke amal karna aur karwaana ye alag baat hey. Namaaz mein aur Taraweeh mein Quran parha jaata hey. Tarjuma parh kar samjha jaata hey, aur dusre huqooq ada kiye jaate hein.

Jin ko Arbi mein parhna hey, woh zaroor parhenge. Aap ki ya kisi ki koi zabardasti nahin. That is all.

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Qasim sahib app nain test key batain shid theek say peri nahin. logically sub batain 100% correct hain. hum log keysee bhe tera purnay khayala co tabdeel kernay per tayar nazar nahin atay. app nain khud likha ha "YE QURAN TUMHAARI ZABAAN MEIN AASAAN NAAZIL KIYA HEY, TAAKE TUM IS SE PARHEZGAARON KO KHUSH KHABRI PAHONCHAAO AUR JHAGRAALUON KO DAR SUNAAO.” abb humarai zaban tu Urdu ha aur esee tera yeah asan hu sukti ha. phir app nain likha ha
- Use parho
- Use samjho
- Us par ghour-o-fikr karo
- Us par amal karo
- Us ke Ahkaamaat ka nifaaz karo
- Us ke Ahkaamaat ka nifaaz karwaao aur aakhir mein
- Us ka paygham dusron tak pahonchaao.
1-Arabic per tu lain gaay 2- sumjahin gay kaysay keyoon kay wo Arabic main ha. 3- ghor kaysay kerain jaab sumajh he nahin ati. 4- jab sumajh nahin ati tu amal kis per kerain gay. baqi steps ka iss soorat sawal he peda nahin huta. app tu yeah kah rahay hain kay building key bunyaad he na banaow aur building shuru ker doo. hum loog bar bar Quran co mushkal kah ker iss ka mazaq ura rahay hain ya shid app nain is co pera nahin ha.
yahan per sub bhai iss baat per zayada zoor day rahay hain kay Quran co Arabic main perow mager iss per test kay alawa coi tawajow nahin day raha kay Arabic main perna asal maqsad nahin bulkay iss co sumjhna asal maqsad ha jo sirf aur sirf Urdu main possible ha. "Somthing is better then nothing" wali baat ha. Arabic kay chakar main per kar hum nain Quran co hawa bana deyya ha iss say bari qumrahi aur kaya hu gee. bahtar yeah ha kay Quran co sub say pahlay Urdu main perain pher app kay pass time ha tu Arabic zaban seekhain aur pher khud tarjma kerain. baqi sub tareeqay apnay app co dhookay main rukhnay walay hain.
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